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southernnscale - Sat 20 May - 21:12

Prices changing for the better! but getting models to pass are getting harder for smaller models!

stonysmith - Tue 9 May - 19:47

Shapeways FUD prices are changing - many items will be cheaper.

southernnscale - Mon 8 May - 00:14

Johnathan you need to be more like 220% then you will be good to go! and on the right track!!!

stonysmith - Mon 1 May - 21:34

Catt's Back!!

GNFan - Sat 29 Apr - 21:05

More on Johnathan (Catt) from Facebook: "Hi everyone,the good news is I am finally home.,does it feel good. :-) I'm not 100% closer to 85% but I will take [t]hat for now."

stonysmith - Thu 27 Apr - 11:32

News of Catt from Karen:Good morning everyone John is doing fine. He has been at Mary Free bed. He should be coming home tomorrow (4/28) I hope.

stonysmith - Wed 26 Apr - 23:46

Shapeways Sale: http://www.shapeways.comThursday 4/27/2017:Enter promo code KINGSDAY2017 at checkout to save 15% on Orange, Red, Blue and White StrongFlexible (not FUD)

soccrdad30 - Tue 25 Apr - 20:39

Sorry Walt, I have not heard anything.

southernnscale - Sun 23 Apr - 21:02

Has anyone heard any more about Catt! prayers are with him!

masalowe - Sun 16 Apr - 21:26

I just listed 2 AZL AJIN BRASS engines on Ebay. They are an SD45 Brass Milwaukee RD and an E8/9A New York Central Diesel. Thanks for the privilege of using the shout box. These are beautiful engines.

masalowe - Wed 12 Apr - 14:40

I just listed a Z-Thek Brass Z Scale Electric Freight Railcar ET 194.11 in Wooden Presentation Box on Ebay. If anyone is interested. Lajos was a true Z genius!

masalowe - Sun 9 Apr - 16:13

masalowe has 2 AZL Brass engines on sale on Ebay and 1 Z Thek Brassworks engine. 6 days left on those auctions...

soccrdad30 - Sat 8 Apr - 08:13

Shapeways has a Flash sale. 10% off everything for 48 hours.Shapeways Sale

stonysmith - Wed 29 Mar - 09:07

Johnathan is back in the hospital - this time for heart issues.

soccrdad30 - Sun 26 Mar - 10:43

Our thoughts and prayers goes out to Johnathan and Karen. It will be nice to see the Catt back in Z when he is ready

ejshelton - Sun 26 Mar - 08:17

Prayers for Johnathan and his wife Karen. So glad to hear he is doing well.

stonysmith - Sat 25 Mar - 21:50

Karen: Thank you all for your prayers. I hope he will be home soon. I miss him a lot.

stonysmith - Sat 25 Mar - 21:49

This is Karen again. John is doing great The surgeon drain most the blood out with a small hole in his head. he has a drain tube in head to get the rest out.

southernnscale - Sat 25 Mar - 20:25

I send my prayers to Johnathan (catt) and Karen Edwards.

stonysmith - Fri 24 Mar - 12:31

Our prayers are with you Catt.

stonysmith - Fri 24 Mar - 12:30

From Karin Edwards.. Jonathan (catt) is in the hospital for bleeding on the brain and other complications. He will be having surgery Friday to remove the blood on his brain.

kevsmith - Mon 20 Mar - 16:07

Managed to get the thread posted with one picture O.K. Tried a reply and got the 0404 error message. couldn't save it . tried a simple reply with one picture and it worked. Tried to insert video nogo

soccrdad30 - Sun 19 Mar - 21:37

Rob and Kev, could you please email me a screen shot of the error? I would like to see what exact error message is. Somehow with any firewall update I seem to have to reset the commands. John

ztrack - Sun 19 Mar - 19:59

Kev I have had the same problem repeatedly. It is why I stopped posting on the forum.

kevsmith - Sun 19 Mar - 16:25

Hi all.I trying to put a new thread onto the layouts section about the Z layout I've built for our Brooklyn but it stops me saying something about a pattern a hacker could use, any thoughts?Kev

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    This is a rant, and you may agree or disagree, but you are welcome to comment.   blog purple

 

     The other night I was in a discussion with some very talented model railroaders, the top people in z scale.

     The subject came up about lighted bumper posts.  I asked the question, is it prototypical?

     The answers I got were the normal responses when that question gets ask. I will throw those out there as well as other comments I have read and heard, when the same question gets asked. 

         It looks cool.  I am sure there is a prototype for it somewhere.  You are a rivet counter. But the OTHER scale do it.  It´s MY railroad, I can do what  I want. 

     Ok I get it. The main thin is number 5. It IS your railroad. You can do what you want. you can run Easter Bunny cars in a tiny loop around Smurfs. You can run German steam engines from the 1920s  pulling American freight cars mixed with Japanese  passenger cars.  Some folks will be fascinated, some impressed. Some will go, hmmm. 

     It looks cool. I have heard this a million times in my other hobby, reenacting. Strapping a WW2 messkit onto a East German bread-bag, and pretending you are in WW1 because it looks cool, does not mean it is accurate. When you dress like a soup sandwich and you stand next to me and the photo is taken, its THOSE guys look like a soup sandwich, not THAT guy. Some people want Z scale to progress beyond the briefcase, a little bit of research goes a long way, and Google is our friend.  This leads us into number 2.

     I am sure there is a prototype for it somewhere.  Again with reenacting. Some guy sticks a feather in his Civil War hat, mainly because it looks cool, and he found a picture of a dude with a feather in same hat.  Next thing you know. everyone is walking around with feathers in their hats. Was this one dude from one unit that did this? Did everyone do this?  Of the hundreds of pictures of dudes wearing the same hat, what percent had feathers.? One word, research. Railroad books and again Google can be our friends.  The CB&Q had a steam engine that they took the pilot wheels off and made into a switch engine. It is in a book. there are several pictures of same engine.  Is it cool to make that engine? Sure. Is it cool to pry off the pilot wheels of every steam engine you have for every railroad and say it is prototype? Maybe not so much.

     Rivet counter. I think that is a cop out. In the reenacting world we call them stitch counters. Can I accurately portray My Great Grandfathers uniform? Nope , not even close.  There is compromises in all scales and perhaps more in our scale. This had been written about ad nauseum.  I try for a happy medium.  My MTL track looks cheesy. It is what I have and what I am using, but I am doing things to try and take away some of the cheesiness, not add to it.  Ballasting, painting, blending, trying to make it look more like a model railroad than a toy railroad.  Adding unneeded accessories that did  not exist, will not give me a better railroad. Using hays bumpers when the the real railroad I model used ties and dirt, can be accepted, because they existed, and was possible, but putting blinky lights on them is beyond me.

     Point 4 is a real thorn in my side. We are trying so hard to be LIKE the other scales, when we have an opportunity to be BETTER than the other scales. Model railroading came from toy trains. Toy trains were meant to play with and a train chasing it´s tail round and round can soon become boring. It needed  play value.

     So accessories were added to the old Lionel 3 railed trains and their brothers.  Over-sized crossing gates, milk cams popping in and out of reefers, cows going down chutes, literally  blinky lights and bells and whistles. Kids dreams spun out in the Monkey Wards Christmas catalogs. Post war, these things were transfused into the HO and later N scales. The Cold War and Space Race added radar and rockets and planes and even satellites on the model trains. Just because thy are found in others scales, does it HAVE to be made in Z?

     Do we need these things in Z? Maybe. If people want to play with toy trains then why not? Why they would do this in Z when there is a whole bunch of toy trains and goodies to play with in other scales is strange to me but, whatever. What I wonder about is all this talent, time, money and effort, being expended on kitsch, when it could be used to produce accurate models of real railroad stuff. Oh it is all about marketing and what would sell I am told. I guess if you build anything in Z scale, weather it existed or not, put the right paint and decals on it, it would sell. I think we are better than this .

    It is all about fun. But is it model railroading, or is it very, very small toy trains? How can we get upset with someone who does not take our modeling seriously, when we don´t  take is serious ourselves. 

 

 

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